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Ignition retard in K Pro

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:33 am
by Redliner
I have this setup in my car:

-Cams IPS K2.
-dual valve spring Crower and titanium retainers
-chain tensioner Toda Racing
-TWM ITB 52mm setup
-Toda Racing header and Supersprint catback
-Hondata K Pro with PRB ECU
-headgasket Hondata

Engine K20A2

The car is idles good, but the power on the dyno shows 160hp, but before TWM I had about 240hp.

Throttle response is not good at idle and engine rev up not really fast. It seems like ECU is retarding the ignition by 10-12 degrees, but we cannot find where and why?

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:48 am
by cxcivic
sounds like your cams are not lined up correctly.

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:29 am
by Redliner
What do you mean? We have not touched the camshafts. We only put on the ITBs.

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:20 am
by Razathorn
Sounds like your alpha-n settings are wrong and it thinks the engine is far more loaded than it is perhaps? What base map did you use? Does this itb setup have a vacuum manifold on one cylinder?

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:33 pm
by Redliner
Razathorn wrote:Sounds like your alpha-n settings are wrong and it thinks the engine is far more loaded than it is perhaps? What base map did you use? Does this itb setup have a vacuum manifold on one cylinder?
Well may be, the MAP sensor is placed like here:

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and has not got any vacuum manifold, but it reads fine (some mods has been taken), also I have used MAP based calibration, but nothing changes.

As a start calibration I've tried all Hondata's ITB's calibration and my own which I used with the RBC manifold - nothing happens.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:32 pm
by rensoyka
You seem to be running very rich above 6500 rpm, is that by design? I noticed that all of your high speed ignition tables are identical, is that also by design?

Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:59 am
by Redliner
rensoyka wrote:You seem to be running very rich above 6500 rpm, is that by design? I noticed that all of your high speed ignition tables are identical, is that also by design?
I have datalog with AF ratio @ 13.5:1 - no bid difference though. about the ignition - this comes with hondata calibration for ITBs