CEL Code P0106(BAR/MAP Sensor Range\Performance)
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:11 am
So, first and foremost thanks for any help that may be given prior to...(It has [and although narrowing, still is] been a sort of hell-looped-NIGHTMARE)
The link below is referenced to a forum topic (obviously) to an on-going issue aka CEL P0106.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22982
Specifically to the link, I am the person the individual referred to in the content of OP as "a friend" or the person in case that was about to "swap over from Ktuner to Hondata". Which in fact, I have and THANK GOD (but I wont get started on that as it is rather late here and although I have been furthering my research into this current issue prior to the post, it's well pasted my bed time) I did. I have tried to acquire as MUCH AS POSSIBLE - Data only to be hindered by:
A.) My Mediocre, [at best] knowledge, related to the concept
B.) The Many Sorts of tail chasing troubleshooting directions I have been through thus far
All that said, the simply put and the obvious.
Simply - I upgraded turbos to the RS-450 [Specs Shown Here: https://www.rampagefab.com/product-page ... vic-type-r]
which is when I started receiving the error code constantly as far as I can justify versus any other changes made to support issue or draw a starting point.
Obviously - I AM having still an issue with the CEL code P0106. I have also done MANY things to troubleshoot, ranging from the following:
1.Researching specifics to FK8 and P0106 (AS much as possible and that I could even find...Or lack there of)
-Speaking to personal Turner
-Speaking to Mechanics and not "Mechanics"
-Speaking to several folks through out the forum Kingdom
2.Sensors Replacement (MAP and MAF with HONDA Genuine Parts)
**Note I asked folks at PRL Motorsports about this since they are doing R&D on turbo upgrade for themselves what they did in reference and they suggested a MAP sensor from HONDATA (and no SPECIF reference however to which or if they did experience it simply "Hondata MAP sensro" was the verbatim answer)
3. Apply A Base tune with bot Ktuner and Hondata to see if that would solve CEL
4. Full Diagnostic Check - Sensors were Functional on all levels and recommendation from garage was pretty much "We aren't sure why exactly from what we see,although we don't exactly and fully condemn it, the PCM maybe is smoked and maybe it would be time to see Honda"
Finally, earlier in the night I was able to meet a VERY intelligent individual that said (to my comment and current stance on the issue- Hard fault, with the fact I have flashed and it (CEL) remains) "That's a good way to start thinking FIRST impression, however you changed the turbo? Did you change the MAF housing to support the new setup, because there are (forgive me, but my lack of knowledge as suggested prior comes into slight play here with loss of verbiage) corrections having to be done. As with any turbo you have to give the parameters regarded to the new amount of induction that is and not what was obviously if you went from small to bigger or small to slight upgrade regards all the same, so maybe look into that."
The short answer on my behalf: No, but It was present right away it (the CEL) was although shortly combated with tune became gradually to what is now "Persistent" and resistant to the flash method answer.
So I guess is that the correct direction because I have dumped FAR too much TIME and just about the same dollar value into solutions to solve the issue. I guess what I am ultimately asking since very few people have a turbo upgrade installed in the fk8 platform currently (yet all seem to have instant or "valuable" information to solution, OBVIOUSLY NONE HAVE helped solve thus far.
Is this a tune (As my tuner referred to it "calibration") relating issue and/or can it be solved with Hondata on this level? Or Is that guy right with his suggestive of correcting MAF housing statements?
I do have videos although I can not post them here directly as it seems, to show the cars behavior along with a few Ktuner (Prior switch Obviously) Data logs to show. I could gladly make new ones in Hondata Flash Pro setup if need be. I also have several other items.
Please help. It must be something simple and certainly not a smoked PCM with the facts being that I was able to remove Ktuner and Successfully apply the Flash Pro system no issues.
Thanks Again and Anything helps, please let me know if anyone needs anything that can help to explain, justify or solve this HELL HOLE I will gladly acquire ASAP just let me know.
Attached - Dyno Testing... This is a screen shot of the day I actually took my FK8 to my tuner where he first noticed it was doing something "odd". Which shows where he has 4 runs he did back to back with NO CHANGES in the setup ANYWHERE and got different readings regardless of lack of change and same pull related parameters (Same gear same everything)
DTC...Is an Image of the Hand held, with the Error
Current Mods...Is an Image of an inventory and tracking spread, specifically a Snap Shot of my Investments on the FK8 (If that helps)
Bed Time...Fingers Crossed...Morning, er... afternoon solutions come on....Thanks
Mike "the Plagued one-zero-six".
The link below is referenced to a forum topic (obviously) to an on-going issue aka CEL P0106.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22982
Specifically to the link, I am the person the individual referred to in the content of OP as "a friend" or the person in case that was about to "swap over from Ktuner to Hondata". Which in fact, I have and THANK GOD (but I wont get started on that as it is rather late here and although I have been furthering my research into this current issue prior to the post, it's well pasted my bed time) I did. I have tried to acquire as MUCH AS POSSIBLE - Data only to be hindered by:
A.) My Mediocre, [at best] knowledge, related to the concept
B.) The Many Sorts of tail chasing troubleshooting directions I have been through thus far
All that said, the simply put and the obvious.
Simply - I upgraded turbos to the RS-450 [Specs Shown Here: https://www.rampagefab.com/product-page ... vic-type-r]
which is when I started receiving the error code constantly as far as I can justify versus any other changes made to support issue or draw a starting point.
Obviously - I AM having still an issue with the CEL code P0106. I have also done MANY things to troubleshoot, ranging from the following:
1.Researching specifics to FK8 and P0106 (AS much as possible and that I could even find...Or lack there of)
-Speaking to personal Turner
-Speaking to Mechanics and not "Mechanics"
-Speaking to several folks through out the forum Kingdom
2.Sensors Replacement (MAP and MAF with HONDA Genuine Parts)
**Note I asked folks at PRL Motorsports about this since they are doing R&D on turbo upgrade for themselves what they did in reference and they suggested a MAP sensor from HONDATA (and no SPECIF reference however to which or if they did experience it simply "Hondata MAP sensro" was the verbatim answer)
3. Apply A Base tune with bot Ktuner and Hondata to see if that would solve CEL
4. Full Diagnostic Check - Sensors were Functional on all levels and recommendation from garage was pretty much "We aren't sure why exactly from what we see,although we don't exactly and fully condemn it, the PCM maybe is smoked and maybe it would be time to see Honda"
Finally, earlier in the night I was able to meet a VERY intelligent individual that said (to my comment and current stance on the issue- Hard fault, with the fact I have flashed and it (CEL) remains) "That's a good way to start thinking FIRST impression, however you changed the turbo? Did you change the MAF housing to support the new setup, because there are (forgive me, but my lack of knowledge as suggested prior comes into slight play here with loss of verbiage) corrections having to be done. As with any turbo you have to give the parameters regarded to the new amount of induction that is and not what was obviously if you went from small to bigger or small to slight upgrade regards all the same, so maybe look into that."
The short answer on my behalf: No, but It was present right away it (the CEL) was although shortly combated with tune became gradually to what is now "Persistent" and resistant to the flash method answer.
So I guess is that the correct direction because I have dumped FAR too much TIME and just about the same dollar value into solutions to solve the issue. I guess what I am ultimately asking since very few people have a turbo upgrade installed in the fk8 platform currently (yet all seem to have instant or "valuable" information to solution, OBVIOUSLY NONE HAVE helped solve thus far.
Is this a tune (As my tuner referred to it "calibration") relating issue and/or can it be solved with Hondata on this level? Or Is that guy right with his suggestive of correcting MAF housing statements?
I do have videos although I can not post them here directly as it seems, to show the cars behavior along with a few Ktuner (Prior switch Obviously) Data logs to show. I could gladly make new ones in Hondata Flash Pro setup if need be. I also have several other items.
Please help. It must be something simple and certainly not a smoked PCM with the facts being that I was able to remove Ktuner and Successfully apply the Flash Pro system no issues.
Thanks Again and Anything helps, please let me know if anyone needs anything that can help to explain, justify or solve this HELL HOLE I will gladly acquire ASAP just let me know.
Attached - Dyno Testing... This is a screen shot of the day I actually took my FK8 to my tuner where he first noticed it was doing something "odd". Which shows where he has 4 runs he did back to back with NO CHANGES in the setup ANYWHERE and got different readings regardless of lack of change and same pull related parameters (Same gear same everything)
DTC...Is an Image of the Hand held, with the Error
Current Mods...Is an Image of an inventory and tracking spread, specifically a Snap Shot of my Investments on the FK8 (If that helps)
Bed Time...Fingers Crossed...Morning, er... afternoon solutions come on....Thanks
Mike "the Plagued one-zero-six".