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AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:10 am
by speedracer79
I have an AP 1 S2000.

My KPRO has been installed for several years.
I use a well know S2000 tuner that has made 3 attempts to stabilize the tune on my car.

The AFR will not stabilize and when starting from a dead stop the car will lean out and hesitate.

When running at any speed in any gear at a constant speed the AFR will not stabilize.

So far I have changed Fuel injectors, Coils and plugs. The car is NA.

What is the next step?
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Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:56 pm
by Spunkster
What exactly has been changed on the vehicle?

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:34 pm
by speedracer79
The changes are as follows.

- The car used to have a turbo,
- The greddy turbo was removed and taken back to NA, The car was retuned to NA, still had larger injectors, Greddy MAP sensor.
- Car ran fine for 2 + years,
- After track day had a short in the electrical system ( the accessory plug) that was repaired.
- Car ran fine for some time,
- Much later, the car began to buck under steady throttle at speeds around 60 mph
- Changed plugs, coil packs, fuel injectors.
- retuned the car, Still bucking.
- reloaded Kpro software, updated the base tune, retuned,
- THe bucking stopped but it developed an unsteady AFR with broad swings in AFR.
- Also developed a low throttle low RPM flutter and fluctuating AFR.
- Changed the MAP back to stock and retuned the car.
- Ran okay initially, however, the Broad swings in AFR redevelop and causes problems/ low AFR readings when starting from a standing start.

So, since it started bucking, several things have changed, to the best of my memory, the AFR issue began when the new base map tune was down loaded.

I have two theories,

1) The short damaged the KPRO and it needs to get fixed,
2) there is a a bad sensor somewhere causing swings in AFRs.

Three trips to the tuner and several parts later, its not yet fixed.......

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:38 am
by Spunkster
Post the calibration it is running from as well as a datalog showing the issue.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:12 pm
by speedracer79
So far:

1) I am not able to download the calibration from the ECU. I did not tune the car. I am not able to find the instructions that allow me to download from the ECU.

2) The current log I have is too large to upload,

3) the screen shot for the datalog that shows the problem is in my first post,

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:10 am
by speedracer79
KPROSCREENSHOT.png

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:28 am
by Spunkster
What are you doing to try and download the calibration from the ECU?

What is the serial number that is on the K-Pro board inside the ECU?

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:58 pm
by speedracer79
I plugged in the computer in the ecu and attempted to find a command to download the calibration.

I will need to pull the ECU to look at the board. It may take a few days.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:22 am
by Spunkster
It is in the Online, Tools menu.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:41 am
by speedracer79
Thanks, I will give it a try today.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:21 am
by speedracer79
okay I have attached the current calibration file Please let me know if it works.
april292017.kal

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:39 am
by Spunkster
You need to also post a datalog showing the issue.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:34 pm
by speedracer79
okay I will generate a short data log that is small enough to upload,

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:04 pm
by speedracer79
#1

First example 1:50

Second example 2:10

Just after beginning to move, the AFR shoots up under moderate throttle input. Then the car bogs down.

Re: AFR will not stabilize

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:09 pm
by speedracer79
#2

Various load conditions. AFR not stable.