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d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:21 am
by zone_nord
hello, having some weird problems

setup:
93 del sol with d16z6
jackson racing supercharger 6psi pulley
rc440 injectors
hondata s300
innovate mtx-l wideband & gauge (powered with fused wire directly from the battery, grounded to the firewall, like the ecu, connected to hondata on D10 ELD)

after i get off the gas and keep the throttle at about 1/4 the gauge jumps up and down from full lean to rich and the car is all over the place
(the car runs on open loop, it seems to be still reading the wideband)
it only does this after i get off the gas and keep the throttle at 1/4
you can see this behavior straight away in the recorded log (attached)
i also attached the tune file

sorry for my bad English :D
thanks
alex

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:52 am
by Spunkster
Has this been properly tuned on the dyno?

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:54 am
by zone_nord
not on the dyno, tuned by a pro

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:55 am
by zone_nord
this behavior started about 2 weeks ago, worked fine for almost one year before

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:43 am
by Spunkster
Has anything recently been changed on the vehicle?

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:47 am
by zone_nord
no, nothing
just oil :D

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:06 pm
by Spunkster
It looks like it may be a problem with the wideband as it is jumping pretty much at all times. It could be the sensor or the controller itself.

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:18 pm
by zone_nord
hm, probably the controller as i changed the sensor already some time ago
should i remove the connection to hondata and use open loop?

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:06 pm
by Spunkster
You could try it.

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:57 pm
by zone_nord
you were right
in open loop with the wideband disconnected from hondata the car runs fine
any suggestions for a reliable wideband brand and model (i won t buy innovate again) for closed loop operation?
is it worth it or should i just leave it in open loop? (daily driven car)

thanks

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:19 am
by Spunkster
I would recommend the PLX Devices widebands as they are very reliable.

You will get better economy with it in closed loop.

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:47 pm
by zone_nord
PLX gauge and sensor installed, problem solved.

old issue still there though
i get an o2 cel (code 1) almost every day, most of the time during deceleration from 4000-5000 rpm, car goes into limp mode (4000 rpm limit)
if i turn off the engine and restart it cel remains off and does not come back on that day
it seems to happen only under closed loop operation
was the same with my old gauge and sensor from innovate

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:48 am
by Spunkster
How exactly do you have the wideband connected?

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:27 am
by zone_nord
power: fused wire directly from the battery, grounded to the firewall
D10 ELD connection to the ecu

Re: d16z6 supercharged weird behaviour at 1/4 throttle

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:11 pm
by zone_nord
got it a couple of times during overtakes...
scary stuff
not safe