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Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:04 pm
by Dan1987
Hey,

I was wondering if it would be possible to include an option in the next update of FlashPro Manager to delete the Secondary Air Injection systems used on EDM S2000's with out throwing a CEL?
I know AEM have encorporated this into their engine management system and was wondering if it could be done with FlashPro?
This would allow us to run a wider range of intercooler set-ups for our supercharged and turbo'd cars as all the air pump etc is situated down at the front left of the front bumper (currently limiting area's we can route our intercooler pipework).

Many Thanks

Dan

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:42 pm
by Croc999
i would like to have this too.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:15 am
by Hondata
2006 onwards US vehicles do not have an air pump. If the Euro S2000 has this pump, unplug it and tell us what error code(s) you get.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:22 am
by Croc999
yes, Euro 2006+ S2000 has this pump.
i will try and let you know.

actually i have now CEL 1412 which is not documented in US Honda service manual.
according to UK s2ki wizards it's related to air pump relay - so i ordered one and waiting for it to arrive.
currently air pump doesn't work.
so you might want to check this error code too.

this CEL started immidiately after reflash new tune with FPM 1.8.2.
i actually thought it might be FPM related because this is too much of the coincidence and we pulled the current relay out and looks good.
any chance that adding Boost control to FPM messed something for Euro s2k?

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:07 am
by Hondata
What ECU pin controls the air pump?

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:33 pm
by Croc999
wow - that's a tough one (at least for me).

looking at this Honda's guide it looks like A31.

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full discussion is here:
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/265541-error-code-1412/

thx a lot for looking into this!!!
really appreciate this.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:31 am
by Hondata
Thanks. I'll look at this for the next release.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:20 pm
by phantom_
hello,

i recently upgraded my FPM version from 1.1.7.4 to 1.1.8.5 and uploaded my final calibration to the car which is a 2006 EDM S2000.

i immediately received a CEL as P1412. i guess this is related with secondary air injection system. i have never received such a CEL during my uploads with FPM 1.1.7.4.

does Hondata think that it is related with the latest version of FPM?

i am using a test pipe. i think it will be very valuable to have secondary air injection delete feature in FlashPro.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:23 pm
by Croc999
you're the 3rd person who reports here exactly the same issue (Euro S2000 + 1.1.8.5 FPM) - so it's probably caused by FPM.

Hondata, when do you think you will have fix for this?

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:03 am
by phantom_
croc999,

so you think this is a bug related with FPM 1.1.8.5? if so, is it possible to rollback to 1.1.7.4 which is the previous official release?

however, please note that latestes version not only upgrades FPM but also firmware of the FlashPro hardware. so i would like to ask Hondata if previous release rollback is possible?

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:39 am
by bgh_187
I'm the other person that has highlighted this issue on this forum.
I've now had my car professionally tuned and the guy tuning it said he tried to use the older revision software that doesn't have this problem and it wouldn't work.
Looks like we will have to wait for hondata to fix this issue.

Another problem that I came across with the beta release was when I was data logging the afr would show that my car was heavily over fueling, but when the dyno age readings were done the car was actually running lean.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:44 am
by Croc999
phantom_ wrote:croc999,

so you think this is a bug related with FPM 1.1.8.5? if so, is it possible to rollback to 1.1.7.4 which is the previous official release?

however, please note that latestes version not only upgrades FPM but also firmware of the FlashPro hardware. so i would like to ask Hondata if previous release rollback is possible?
i tried to rollback but it didn't help - probably because Flashpro device firmware doesn't foll back when you use older FPM software.

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:07 am
by Dan1987
I now have this CEL after using the latest version :(. Please fix this soon!

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:14 am
by Croc999
i think it would help them if you specify what's your car...

Re: Possibility to include Secondary Air Injection Delete?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:41 am
by Dan1987
Croc999 wrote:i think it would help them if you specify what's your car...
EDM S2000..like i said in the opening post.