There are (2) Spark and Fuel tables, the base cal has the same load values but the RPM is different. Hondata calls them the Low and High speed tables. I have scoured the manual quite a few times and cannot find what activates the secondary map. In the Options Tab there is selection that says “Tables Follow VTEC” or “Tables Follow Cam Angle”, based on this I was under the assumption that if “Tables Follow VTEC” then the switch from Low Speed to High Speed Tables will follow the VTEC engagement.
Also what is the deal with the pressure breakpoints not saving to a calibration? KManager always defaults to the last setting that was selected. So if I am working on a N/A car then open a file for boosted car I have to guess what the original tuner or person used for pressure setting. The problem is if the original tuner selected the wrong setting one would potentially have to try and interpolate and retune.
I have spent a lot of time with other systems I am working on getting more familiar with the Hondata software and the above are the only (2) things I am struggling with.
Thanks For Your Input
New To Hondata and Have a few Questions
New To Hondata and Have a few Questions
Jack of All Trades and Master of None
You're correct about the switch between the high and low cam tables - the high cam comes after the VTEC crossover; the low cam comes before.
By selecting "tables follow VTEC", you're telling the software to display, to you, the table that matches either the current point on an active, live datalog, or the selected point on a saved graph. The same thing applies to the "tables follow cam angle" setting.
I'm not sure what you're referring to with your second question, though.
By selecting "tables follow VTEC", you're telling the software to display, to you, the table that matches either the current point on an active, live datalog, or the selected point on a saved graph. The same thing applies to the "tables follow cam angle" setting.
I'm not sure what you're referring to with your second question, though.
The program defualts to the the last load range that was selected reguardless of how it was setup in the calibration. The load range being N/A, Boost. 3 Bar & 5 Bar and by making a change the load range or break point are also changed and the map is rescaled.I'm not sure what you're referring to with your second question, though.
What are you doing here?The Spectacle wrote:Hi Scott
How is the car running, I am stripping mine down now and going back to stock.
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Oh, I see - those controls don't rescale the map, they simply show/hide the columns to the right.
For example, when I've got it set to N/A on my kal, I have 10 columns, ranging from -25.8" to 0.5psi. When I show boost tables, I've got 13 columns; column 1 still holds -25.8", column 10 still holds 0.5psi, and then columns 11, 12, and 13 show 4psi, 7.9psi, and 11.9psi, respectively.
I did find a bug with this while checking it out just now, though. The "Show x Tables" options are hardcoded to show a certain number of columns. So if I add three load indicies below 0psi, "Show N/A Tables" will still only show me up to column 10, even though I'll now be able to reach column 13 without boost.
Similarly, "Show Boost Tables" will show me columns 1 through 13, but column 13 is only 0.5psi, and normally shown in the N/A tables' range.
For example, when I've got it set to N/A on my kal, I have 10 columns, ranging from -25.8" to 0.5psi. When I show boost tables, I've got 13 columns; column 1 still holds -25.8", column 10 still holds 0.5psi, and then columns 11, 12, and 13 show 4psi, 7.9psi, and 11.9psi, respectively.
I did find a bug with this while checking it out just now, though. The "Show x Tables" options are hardcoded to show a certain number of columns. So if I add three load indicies below 0psi, "Show N/A Tables" will still only show me up to column 10, even though I'll now be able to reach column 13 without boost.
Similarly, "Show Boost Tables" will show me columns 1 through 13, but column 13 is only 0.5psi, and normally shown in the N/A tables' range.
Bingo, I am surprised no one else saw this. I found it after looking at a calibration that I believe to have been set incorrectly from the start but I did not want to make changes until I was 100% with the software.Floppie wrote:Oh, I see - those controls don't rescale the map, they simply show/hide the columns to the right.
For example, when I've got it set to N/A on my kal, I have 10 columns, ranging from -25.8" to 0.5psi. When I show boost tables, I've got 13 columns; column 1 still holds -25.8", column 10 still holds 0.5psi, and then columns 11, 12, and 13 show 4psi, 7.9psi, and 11.9psi, respectively.
I did find a bug with this while checking it out just now, though. The "Show x Tables" options are hardcoded to show a certain number of columns. So if I add three load indicies below 0psi, "Show N/A Tables" will still only show me up to column 10, even though I'll now be able to reach column 13 without boost.
Similarly, "Show Boost Tables" will show me columns 1 through 13, but column 13 is only 0.5psi, and normally shown in the N/A tables' range.
Jack of All Trades and Master of None
Yeah...for what it's worth, I'd imagine that the ECU has a fixed amount of memory allocated to these tables, and no matter what there are two 16x20 and four 16x20x6 tables being uploaded no matter how many columns you have set to display - those settings are just that, display.
For this reason, personally, when I redo my tune in a month or so I'm going to expand my tables out to 16 columns for finer-grained control over things.
For this reason, personally, when I redo my tune in a month or so I'm going to expand my tables out to 16 columns for finer-grained control over things.