AIT Sensor Not Working, And Knock Question - Turbo Type S

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AIT Sensor Not Working, And Knock Question - Turbo Type S

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First, let me say this software is amazing. The control it gives to the end user is the best I have ever seen without going full stand alone, and this can be installed in less than 10 minutes. I wish there was a drop in solution like this for my 1.8T VW.

ok now let's get down to business.

Cybernation turbo kit, 550 cc 3 ohm injectors (yeah I know), ported turbo/manifold, ceramic coated mani/exhaust. No Cat 3" turbo back. open wastegate dump. Intercooled, custom intake. Running minimum 93 octane. This is a friend's car, that I installed turbo/piggy back last year. It never ran right with the fueling being adapted out. I have to say the software and hardware with this kit was very very poor. Fuel/oil lines, intake piping. I had to fabricate/modify most of it myself to get it safe, or even close to fitting.

I removed all the piggy back garbage, and installed the hondata. Had some communications problems due to non resistor spark plugs, but finally got that worked out.

Only problem right now is the Air intake temp sensor is throwing a code, showing the cel, and reading ~95 deg F constantly. Even if I unplug the sensor it reads 95F. I checked the wiring to the sensor, I have continuity where I should, and I don't have any shorts to ground. Sensor resistance was ~3300 ohms when I tested it. I tested the power across the connector with the car on and I am getting 5V. factory service procedure was followed, and Im at the point where it says replace sensor, or replace ECU. Because the reading says 95 regardless if the sensor is there or not, Im a bit worried it may be the ECU. Any history of this?? Can i safely test a jumper across the connector to see if 95F changes? BTW the car runs fine, it's just that i dont have any AIT correction. (does timing get affected, or just fuel?)

Ok, now I have just a general knock question. I have tuned the fuel map for low speed cam from vac to 6 psi, and up to 5000 rpm. AFR monitord with LM1 wideband and the stock wideband log. The whole time I was watching the knock Voltage like a hawk. Never saw anything above like 0.2 Volts. I noticed the knock threshold is ~5V.

For those with experience, how sensitive is the knock sensor. What voltage should be considered the danger zone. When is there audible knock?

And for the creators of the Cybernation base file (thats what I started with) how is the timing on that file? Is it mild timing? Is it tuned for 91 octane (I have 93) . Are there any other things I should know about the base file? How agressive is the Vtech transition for that file? Does it need more fine tuning for the turbo? To be honest My plan was to tune the fuel and timing and leave the cam position stuff alone. Without a dyno I don't think it's worthwile, and the owner doesn't want to spring for a few hours on the dyno.

Car feels much faster to 5000 Rpm and spools ~1000 rpm earlier BTW :)
Thanks in advance.
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Re: AIT Sensor Not Working, And Knock Question - Turbo Type

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Enginerd wrote:Only problem right now is the Air intake temp sensor is throwing a code, showing the cel, and reading ~95 deg F constantly. Even if I unplug the sensor it reads 95F. I checked the wiring to the sensor, I have continuity where I should, and I don't have any shorts to ground. Sensor resistance was ~3300 ohms when I tested it. I tested the power across the connector with the car on and I am getting 5V. factory service procedure was followed, and Im at the point where it says replace sensor, or replace ECU. Because the reading says 95 regardless if the sensor is there or not, Im a bit worried it may be the ECU. Any history of this?? Can i safely test a jumper across the connector to see if 95F changes? BTW the car runs fine, it's just that i dont have any AIT correction. (does timing get affected, or just fuel?)
Exactly the same problem here! A working ECU was sent to Hondata and when we got it back the following symptoms appeared:

-Check engine light came on immediately
-Error code P0112 (Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor Circuit Low Voltage)
-IAT temperature stays constant at 35.2 degrees celcius (about 95 degrees fahrenheit)
-Intake cam angle stays at 0? as set by the ECU in this situation (=not good)

The problem is not in the car, the IAT circuit has been tested by local dealer and another K-Pro ECU works in it normally. So the problem must be in the ECU and it appeared right after the K-Pro installation.

Hondata says that the problem is in the ECU and we do not know yet what to do with it. The problem is that this ECU is in Finland, rather long way from CA...

We are still waiting for some comments...
Enginerd
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Post by Enginerd »

Yes that's the exact same code. I didn't see if the cam angle is messed up though. Ill have to check the logs, probably tomorrow.
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Post by jostrom »

Was your ECU fine before sending it to Hondata? Yours must be PRB, ours is a PRA from a european Civic Type-R. Check your datalogs for commanded and actual intake cam angle.
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Post by Hondata »

First, uninstall the KManager software and reinstall (download the latest version from the website, don't use the CD). Create a new calibration from a built in stock calibration (k20a23-rsx-stock.kal or k20a2-civictyper-stock.kal), then only adjust for injector size, and upload. Check for the IAT sensor error.
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Post by Enginerd »

I installed from the CD and went to check for updates, and it said that I have the latest version. He just got the ECU redone, so it appears that the CD is up to date. Should I still download from the website?

Ill try to do this tonight. It's been raining here for 4 days, so we havent done anymore tuning runs.

Thanks for the help
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Post by jostrom »

Hondata wrote:First, uninstall the KManager software and reinstall (download the latest version from the website, don't use the CD). Create a new calibration from a built in stock calibration (k20a23-rsx-stock.kal or k20a2-civictyper-stock.kal), then only adjust for injector size, and upload. Check for the IAT sensor error.
We did this and it didn't help in our case. The defective K-Pro ECU has now been tested in two cars and it didn't work on either. Another K-Pro ECU works on both cars so the problem is definitely in the ECU.
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Post by Enginerd »

Went out again last night. loaded in new software, and a stock calibration.

AIT sensor still did not work.

Put his calibration back in and went tuning.

AIT sensor does not read, and the Cam timing is fixed at ZERO degrees.

Something is definitely wrong. Does the ECU need to be sent back for rework, or can you guys send a new ECU? Is there anything else that you guys can recommend to try? Unfortunately he has the only local RSX, so no possibility of swapping ECU.
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Post by Spunkster »

It appears you are loading the PRA calibration for the European civic type R. You cannot load this calibration into any ecu other than a PRA. IF you have a PRB, then use a calibration for the PRB.
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