Hondata R18

[nyghtstalkr]

I've added the feature into the current beta release. Note that when using the speed/density fuel table option it is a little tricky to tune the fuel tables for the 'high' cam. You can do it, but it is hard to get the car to run on the high cam apart from some fairly narrow throttle parameters.

I'm a bit confused here. How are we going to tune on "high" cam if we can not tune by cam degree in Flashpro?

Also, what is the status on giving us other abilities that the Si has, such as:

Wideband input on the ELD pin of ECU.
Boost By Gear

Both of these have the ability to be done in the R18 ECU. I have the Helm Manuals and have gone through ALL Honda schemtaics for our R18 ECU (Auto and Manual versions). ELD input for Wideband and BBG would work. BTW, I spent 8 years in the navy as an Electronics Technician so I triple checked these to make sure. It is the exact same circuits as the Si, just on different pins of the ECU.

As for the Gear Ratio's and Final drive ratio; these would be a nice change also. The ONLY function of that I have found that is on the Si flash pro that would not work on the R18 ECU is the Adjustments of the Low and High cams. Other than that, every function on the Si Flashpro should be on the R18. Can we try and put some time in to making this happen please. The reason most people did not buy the R18 Flashpro is that they felt like you cheated the R18 community by not giving us the Speed Density option and the Wideband input at minimum. These are EXTEMELY critical for properly tuning boosted applications.

Any and all info regarding these options, including if or why you can't do them, is much obliged.

[ghostmonky]

I have a MAP tune that Vitviper has done for my R18.I will ask him what he thinks of the high cam tuning.

[nyghtstalkr]

I have a MAP tune that Vitviper has done for my R18.I will ask him what he thinks of the high cam tuning.

Ok. This doesn't make sense. I am not sure how he could be talking about "high cam tuning" when our cam is fixed? Our i-VTEC is controlled by a piston to control economy or non economy mode. That's pretty much it. This video explains the entire engine and how it works. Click this video.
This is why I don't understand what he meant. I am pretty hesitant of going map still because if I tune using this with the stock PO2 and then Hondata actually adds wideband input to the LAMBDA, I would have to pay for ANOTHER tune again to get it even MORE on point. I think it is pointless to try.

They (Hondata) should just add these essential features we need in the R18. I am very willing to send in or fax in the research I have done to show that the Wideband O2 can be tapped directly to the ECU.

[ghostmonky]

Ha Yea thats fine you think what you want.Vit did this MAP tune free of charge.And there is a big difference how the car runs compared to his AFM tune.As far as I am concerned he is the best tuner out there for the R18.And etunez is the only company offering to tune the R18.And tuning for benefits of the high cam are tricks of the trade.

[nyghtstalkr]

Ha Yea thats fine you think what you want.Vit did this MAP tune free of charge.And there is a big difference how the car runs compared to his AFM tune.As far as I am concerned he is the best tuner out there for the R18.And etunez is the only company offering to tune the R18.And tuning for benefits of the high cam are tricks of the trade.

Dude, WE HAVE NO HIGH CAM!!!! OUR CAM IS NON-ADJUSTABLE! And furthermore, E-tunez is not the only tuners tuning the R18. You really need to do more research. I highly suggest you find the video about how the R18 works and watch it. Not to mention you need to learn how our i-VTEC is different from the K20's.

[chungyfied]

high cam pretty much just refers to our fuel economy mode.
not an accurate description but its easy to use. kinda like how we call the pipe after our cat a exhaust
it works that way in the flashpro manager too, when we're in fuel economy mode, we run the "high cam map"

[nyghtstalkr]

Ok. That makes a little bit of sense. However, why would we have it in flash pro? Our cam is not adjustable, so why would it be an option for tuning? I am not trying to argue here, but our cam is fixed. No VTC. I understand how the cam is switched from fuel economy to "wide open" but from a tuning aspect we can't adjust anything so why is it an option?

[nyghtstalkr]

Hondata,

What is the status on giving R18 Auto AND Manuals other abilities that the Si has, such as:

Wideband input on the ELD pin of ECU.
Boost By Gear

Both of these have the ability to be done in the R18 ECU. I have the Helm Manuals and have gone through ALL Honda schemtaics for our R18 ECU (Auto and Manual versions). ELD input for Wideband and BBG would work. BTW, I spent 8 years in the navy as an Electronics Technician so I triple checked these to make sure. It is the exact same circuits as the Si, just on different pins of the ECU.

As for the Gear Ratio's and Final drive ratio; these would be a nice change also. The ONLY function of that I have found that is on the Si flash pro that would not work on the R18 ECU is the Adjustments of the Low and High cams. Other than that, every function on the Si Flashpro should be on the R18. Can we try and put some time in to making this happen please. The reason most people did not buy the R18 Flashpro is that they felt like you cheated the R18 community by not giving us the Speed Density option and the Wideband input at minimum. These are EXTEMELY critical for properly tuning boosted applications.

Any and all info regarding these options, including if or why you can't do them, is much obliged.

Hondata makes a GREAT product. I come from the nissan community and you guys have the ultimate tuning solution by far! However, your customer skills have been very lacking. Of the 4 times I have called, Matt has been very rude on the phone when I have tried to get support for my R18, and reading through all of these posts throughout the forum, you are hasty, short and rude in your responses. I understand you have a lot of people asking a lot of things to change, but you have people like myself willing to help. If tuners are doing the same thing (i'm not even a tuner, but I am trying to help out all R18 owners) then why not accept their help, and be grateful for it and accept it. We all get frustrated with you (like Vit did) because you plainly are very rude in your support and customer relations. You have paying customers who have spent their hard earned money for the flashpro units, paid for tuning (which can easily be $1000 USD together for both) and have taken the risks involved to use, and promote, your product. How about we get some support here for units already in place. If these car's ECU's have the same capabilities, don't skimp on them just to roll out the next unit. Give the customers a complete box, with all features.

[VitViper]

Ha Yea thats fine you think what you want.Vit did this MAP tune free of charge.And there is a big difference how the car runs compared to his AFM tune.As far as I am concerned he is the best tuner out there for the R18.And etunez is the only company offering to tune the R18.And tuning for benefits of the high cam are tricks of the trade.

Dude, WE HAVE NO HIGH CAM!!!! OUR CAM IS NON-ADJUSTABLE! And furthermore, E-tunez is not the only tuners tuning the R18. You really need to do more research. I highly suggest you find the video about how the R18 works and watch it. Not to mention you need to learn how our i-VTEC is different from the K20's.

It's pretty funny you're arguing so adamantly about this when the evidence to prove you wrong is smack dab in every single R18 cal. There is a reason there is are separate ignition tables, lambda target tables, and now MAP fuel tables for the "high" and "low" cams. It does work different from the K20 as you do not have VTC (and hence your cam isn't adjustable) but you do have an economy lobe profile, referred to as the "high cam" when discussing the R18. The R18 has "VTEC" in the sense it's got two separate cam profiles for economy and power, just no VTC, so no valve timing adjustability.

Oh, and tuning the high cam is quite trivial.

[ryker]

but you do have an economy lobe profile, referred to as the "high cam" when discussing the R18

Are you sure about the economy being the high cam?


http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/RiVTEC/index.html
Under normal driving conditions, the R18A runs on its normal set of cam-lobes which in a completely reversed role, Honda calls the 'hot-cams'.
So VTEC-off on the R18A means it can be considered to be running high cams.

When the right conditions are acheived for fuel economy, VTEC on engages the 2nd set, the 'low' or 'economy' cams.

VTEC-on on the R18A means it is running low cams.

[ryker]

high cam pretty much just refers to our fuel economy mode.
o, when we're in fuel economy mode, we run the "high cam map"

http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/RiVTEC/index.html
Under normal driving conditions, the R18A runs on its normal set of cam-lobes which in a completely reversed role, Honda calls the 'hot-cams'.
So VTEC-off on the R18A means it can be considered to be running high cams.

When the right conditions are acheived for fuel economy, VTEC on engages the 2nd set, the 'low' or 'economy' cams.

VTEC-on on the R18A means it is running low cams.


edit- Using Hondata software check to allow tables to follow vtec. Hondata tables show High ignition timing to be used for vtec on or ECO mode.

This is probably the source of confusion. Asia.vtec.net describes the low cam as vtec on. Whereas hondata has the high cam as vtec on.

;(

[s-easy]

Hondata, what about to add support of boost control and wideband for R18? It would be great addon, many many people would be grateful to you. Other question is change of R18 VTEC enable conditions, I mean to do VTEC enable conditions like in K-series engines. A reason of changing VTEC is ability to produce a camshaft with standart and hot (not ECO) lobe profiles and realize full VTEC, not this ECO shit.