Reflash and future upgrade + Turbo = FAIL!

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:48 am

ok here is my situation, I drive an 06 SI coupe. I have been reflashed for about 4 months now and it was done through clubrsx.com. My problem now is that I have a greddy turbo kit in the garage awaiting install, and for now (until a kpro equivalent comes out for our platform) I have to use the emanage ultimate to "tune". The problem is that the emanage will not work with the reflash, please correct me if im wrong. Simple solution right? wrong say I swap ECU's with someone else with an 06, I first have to pay $200 for both cars to be rekeyed which i think is redonkulous lol. So i call Hondata the other day to ask if they could flash it back to stock the gentleman I talked to said yes you pay x amount of money yadda yadda. I then proceded to ask if i will still be eligible for a discount on our kpro equivalent when/if it comes out and he tells me no i will not be that i will have to pay full price.

I then ask if they keep on file all serial numbers so they could know i have paid them and I wondered why I would not be eligible for the $500 upgrade cost since i have paid them over $700 (assuming I pay to get it reflashed to stock by them). He didnt explain and was basically like your screwed. I dont really understand, from my past experience with this company they have seemed more than fair, but i have to say this is not quite right... anyways / hondata rant

My problem lies with not being able to install my kit, is it possible (if my tuner knows what he is doing) to run the reflash and emanage together? Its a shame im even asking this, but my other option is throwing away nearly $700 because they will give me no credit.

Please Help 8thgen member in need!

-Josh

Post by **Hondata** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:24 am

The reflash does not change the ECU-if the emanage works with a stock ECU, then it will work with a reflashed ECU. The only issue is ignition timing - as long you can retard timing under boost with emanage then it should work.

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:17 pm

then I might ask has Hondata not stated before that the Kseries reflash should not be used in conjunction with the emanage ultimate for the greddy kit on the 06+ SI? or is this just hear-say?

Your saying if my tuner has patience enough and can retard timing under boost properly it will work fine?

also is it even possible that the reflash will try and fight its way back into control and advance timing and cause detonation?

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:30 pm

could you please verify this doug

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:37 am

anyone?!.... we are trying to get started on this install. It has been said that the reflash hasnt been tested with FI applications, SC, turbo ect. Once said it should be used with emanage ultimate, now its stated that its ok. Can some1 please follow up on here preferably Doug, i do not want my car to pull timing because im running emanage ultimate and the reflash.

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5244

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6346

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5343

http://www.hondata.net/reflash_06_civicsi.html

http://www.hondata.net/reflash_faq.html

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:38 am

release something kpro-like for us already =)

civicn33b · Post by **civicn33b** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:15 pm

please please please doug... give me an answer that way we can go ahead and start tonight. Its 8:00 pm here... please HELP Doug

civicn33b wrote:anyone?!.... we are trying to get started on this install. It has been said that the reflash hasnt been tested with FI applications, SC, turbo ect. Once said it should be used with emanage ultimate, now its stated that its ok. Can some1 please follow up on here preferably Doug, i do not want my car to pull timing because im running emanage ultimate and the reflash.

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5244

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6346

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5343

http://www.hondata.net/reflash_06_civicsi.html

http://www.hondata.net/reflash_faq.html

Post by **Hondata** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:13 am

You confusing comments we have made with the RSX/EP3 reflash with those made for the 06 Civic Si.

If the emanage has complete control over ignition timing has been tuned for the reflash then it should work. Otherwise put the ECU back to stock.