adjustment

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:57 am

i was reading about the bucking issue at light throttle while crusing and seen an answer saying to adjust the TPS ignition retard values. i cant figure out how to adjust these values? also , im gonna be running spray on the car this summer , so i was paying with one of the ntrous controls after reading hondatas info on how to play with it. i cant adjust fuel and ignition compensation either. just wondering how you go about it please and thank you?

EDIT!!

well , i read that and technically , my question is regarding the software , i have no Kpro problem. but , ill have to dig in my dash for the serial number , so ill get back to you on that , i know that sounds bad but im legit and youl see when i post it:

i drive a 2001 honda civic Ex coupe. the car is engine swapped , has a 2004 K20A2. the car runs a SR intake , shorty DC stainless header , stock exhaust and cat , greddy SP2 catback. also , important to mention , the car is dash swapped also , it has an rsx dash(which is why its hard for me to get ecu out , not like rsx mounted at feet , is located behind dash) , and all wiring from the front seats forward is rsx. what i did to put it simply , was mate the civics tail harness(only harness thats stock) to the rsx main harness. no engine light , its all good. just a question about how to change the values in the enable nitrous control under fuel/ignition tab. and TPS ignition retard in gear comp. please and thank you guys.

latestdatalog
http://www.mediafire.com/?di1dj1pamjm

latest calibration im running
http://www.mediafire.com/?znndqy0q1jj

Post by **Spunkster** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:08 pm

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3629

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:27 am

nevermind i figured it out spunkster , lol. why is it you cant right click for the adjustment menu? why is it even though you go to the edit menu to select adjust , the increase and decrease dont work?

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:26 am

heres a few pics , im not sure what number your looking for? where is it located?

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:32 am

next week , ill be installing brian crower stage 2 camshafts and valvetrain guys , any tips when it comes to getting them running right? i mean i have fuel and timing down as far as how to play with them to get the most out of what i have , at least i think , any tips appreciated. my .kal and datalog are above , what im running right now. i dont know if the cams will come with cam degree suggestions or not , i know some do. the only thing i dont understand is what cam angle is best for what rpm and why? i understand what valveoverlap does , the affect it has on the intake of air. i lok at the calibratios for different cams , and they are so diferent , its hard to tell whats going on exactly. just wanting to learn guys if you feel like discussing.

rsxmachine · Post by **rsxmachine** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:32 am

here's a tune to help you get started

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 pm

thanks buddy , wheres this from and do you have info as far as a datalog and what parts as far as header and exhaust the car this runs has? power it made?

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:40 pm

well , i got my cams in and all that. if i had to put valvesprings in K series everyday for a living , id be hanging from a rope , haha. loaded up that calibration posted here , Kpros crower stage2 cal , and my own from without cams. mine ran best but im not overly impressed yet at all. i hope tuning bring out a little more cause , im not impressed with brian crower cams in the least bit at this point. i get what appears to be knock at light crusing throttle , but i cant hear it myself. i know what to listen for well , you can hear knock kpro wont pick up if you listen. havent played with it much yet , and it has gotten a bit better after pulling some timing and flatening AF. let me tell you , honda didnt design the K series enine to set the timing , lol , man what a pain in the ass it is. ive worked on cars a long time , understand fully and am good at setting timing in all honda engines. but it seems no matter how you try , you cant get the middle hash marks on the cams to line up perfect when crank is at TDC. i tryed and ryed , knowing a tooth is a tooth , and getting a half tooth is impossible , lol. ive searched and read alot about setting the timing and this issue , and apparently its very common if not the way it is with these. but car starts , runs perfect , idles perfect , slightly rougher than stock , but i mean slight. but at light throttle crusing like i said , knock counter starts rising even though you cant hear knock in the engine. no cel. anyways , ill post up a couple datalogs tomorrow , maybe you guys can give me some advice.

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:48 pm

to update , i ended up using k20a2-rsx-crowerstage2 map that comes with kmanager. im not sure what mods that car had , but runs hella rich on my car , and waaayyy too much timng than our fuel available here can allow , lol. you guys are lucky where you have 93 , or at least 91 that actually is 91. was getting crusing knock again , pulled some timing , running pretty good low cam wise at the moment , havent had time to play with it much. from 5k vtec crossover to about 7k , runs like 11.5:1 AF , lol , hella rich. gonna play with it tommorrow.

heres a datalog to gander at for anyone remotely interested , maybe someone has insight:

http://www.mediafire.com/?0cy1dp4ndjg

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:40 pm

i guess im on my own , 1300 bucks to buy this thing , and its like pulling teeth to get some help with it. wow. sorry guys , im a nice guy , i just hate getting ignored.

i guess im gonna try using edit all tables and taking fuel out of the entire map high and low cam. when in open loop , my AF just at dle is 12:1 , lol. hella rich. i stomp it , get to vtec crossover point , the car literally falls on its face for like 2 seconds till it start to pull again. AF from 5k to like 7 is 11.5:1 , lol. knocks like crazy at crusing speeds and light throttle from between 2 and 35k. i pulle some timing out and some fuel , alot better but i got alot of work to do with this. like i said , im getting to know good how to tune(i think) but i want to get it more healthy before i attempt tuning high revs. at idle , STFuel trim is at -11. just sitting still and lightly using gas pedal to bring revs up , it sits at like -27. anyways , ill keep yas posted i guess. i love the idea of these forums , just need more people who know the Kpro inside and out around for insight. i know guys like spunkster and hondata are most likely busy men i suppose.

talonxracer · Post by **talonxracer** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:20 am

cranny wrote: let me tell you , honda didnt design the K series enine to set the timing , lol , man what a pain in the ass it is. ive worked on cars a long time , understand fully and am good at setting timing in all honda engines. but it seems no matter how you try , you cant get the middle hash marks on the cams to line up perfect when crank is at TDC. i tryed and ryed , knowing a tooth is a tooth , and getting a half tooth is impossible ,

You are indeed out of time. Things will line up perfectly when installed corrctly. This must be corrected before you can properly tune the engine. I have had to correct this issue several times for a handfull of neophyte mechanics lately.

What happened more than likely, is that the timing chain has moved one tooth on the crank sprocket. It isnt a half-tooth off, it is single tooth displaced, but that equates to a half link at the cam sprockets(2:1 reduction). Unless you have had ALOT of experience swapping cams and building a K-engine, it is very easy to get the timing incorrect without removing the timing chain cover first. It is a very common beginner error(even experienced builders can get it wrong without removing the timing chain cover)

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:28 pm

no engine light though? i mean it idles and runs smooth. i tryed what you said when setting timing , moved it a tooth on the crank , same result(although like you said , you cant see the dam crank cog so). played with it for 2 hours. im just getting my hands into K engines , but have been working on hondas and cars in general for 17 years. but now your making me second guess myself , haha , have to whip it apart again i guess. it seems no matter what combo of teeth i tryed , the middle marks on the cam gears would not line up perfect. im guess im gonna have to take the timing cover off , i hate working blind. than just set the marks , and use the dark links on the chain and i guess you can go wrong huh. thanks for response buddy , much appreciated as like you said , i am just learning the K inside.

JustinC · Post by **JustinC** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:34 am

cranny wrote:no engine light though? i mean it idles and runs smooth. i tryed what you said when setting timing , moved it a tooth on the crank , same result(although like you said , you cant see the dam crank cog so). played with it for 2 hours. im just getting my hands into K engines , but have been working on hondas and cars in general for 17 years. but now your making me second guess myself , haha , have to whip it apart again i guess. it seems no matter what combo of teeth i tryed , the middle marks on the cam gears would not line up perfect. im guess im gonna have to take the timing cover off , i hate working blind. than just set the marks , and use the dark links on the chain and i guess you can go wrong huh. thanks for response buddy , much appreciated as like you said , i am just learning the K inside.

They don't line up perfectly.

cranny · Post by **cranny** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:36 am

thats mostly what ive read as well. but it doesnt make nay sense the amount of knock im getting at crusing throttle around 2.5k to 3k. plus , even running the map i used before cams , when im on it through the revs , it runs REALLLL rich , like 11.5:1. doesnt make nay sense , should be lean after cams. so somin has gotta be not right. ill keep yas posted , im taking the engine out tonite. i gotta get car ready for the show cleaning wise so , mine as well set the timing with engine out and take timing cover off.

ep3lookslikeyou · Post by **ep3lookslikeyou** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:40 pm

i just installed skunk2 stage 1 cams in my 05 civic si, k20a3, and ive been having a crazy knock problem, they are just ghost knocks, ive gone up to like 4000 knocks in a quick 2 min drive. i dont know what to do either...