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Ok I have a 05 civic si and just got my Greddy kit installed with Rc 550 injectors and Kpro downloaded the latest version and loaded the proper base map.Now when I start the car it idles at 1500 for 10 seconds and drops down then starts to surge fron base idle to 22 or 2500 then back down and keeps doing this.I have checked for a vacume leak and nothing as the car is new only 4000 miles on it and check my lines that i added for the BOV,turbo actuator and boost gauge.I need some help!!!
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KPRO surge?
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I just finished my Greddy turbo install and RC 550 Injectors and Kpro. I downloaded the map and then started my car and now it surges fron idle to 2500 rpm anyone have a answer?
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I just finished my Greddy turbo install and RC 550 Injectors and Kpro. I downloaded the map and then started my car and now it surges fron idle to 2500 rpm anyone have a answer?
vaccum leak
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Posts: 721 already did that the car is a 05 with 4000 miles on it and I checked all the hoses I added like BOV,turbo acuator and boost gague?
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Posts: 1,841 where did you tap the line in the brake booster i imagine ?
also it dose this constantly right? cause if it stops after the car warms up your fine
just make sur that everything that plumbs into the intake manifold (after the throttle body) is nug and isnt loose
this same thing happened to my buddy after the did his kit and it turned out that it was b/c he kept blowing the vacummlines off his oil catch can and bov
another thing is make sure you have the right kpro cal in there it would cause somethihng like that cause if you have the 440 cal but are running 550's it will surge a bit to burn off the excess feul
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Today, 06:23 PM #5
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Posts: 721 Yes to the booster and right cal with 550s.The surge never goes away even at 200 degrees keeps going.
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Today, 06:29 PM #6
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Posts: 1,841 either you have blown off a hose (please go check) or there is something keeping you throttle bdy open
also look at you idle tab in kpro and try adjusting the slider in that portion
the help file in kpro will give you a good idea of how it affects idle
for fluctuating sugres the common problem is a vaccum leak and since you boosted now i believe you may have poped on of those off when going into boost yes even if the car is brand new
they arent that secure
i have to secure mine with saftey wire if thats any indication of how bad it is
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Today, 06:37 PM #8
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Originally Posted by Ravenous Si
is there such a thing as to much fuel caused by adding the Eagle fuel rail?
that where adjusting the slider in kpro comes in
and it is possible but then again i dont know about the feul rail caus i dont have one yet (damn kids why do they have to eat)
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Posts: 721 Ok no lines off adjusted the slider both way and nothing.And the green key light keeps flashing
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Posts: 1,841 the green key is fine youll have to go to a dealer for that
im looking at the greddy 550 cal right now to see if i can come up with an idea
and you checked ALL your lines right not just the new ones you installed
the pcv line is known for coming loose it is located on the left side of the intake man and runs to the idler pulley area
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Posts: 1,841 also are you reloading the map eachtime you are moving the slider ?
you may also wanna try reloading the greddy 550 map that included with kpro and d/l the new version form them if you havent done so
v1-2-1-1
also i just realized this while looking at mine make sure your injectors are FULLY seated into the intake manifold cause if one of those isnt fully seated it will allow air to get in there and cause a surge(CHECK THIS NOW!) cause i vaugley remember this happening to a buddy of mine with a bseries swap in his crx
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Today, 07:00 PM #12
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Posts: 721 checked all the vac lines-yes loaded each time I changed the parameters.And all injectors are seated fully
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Posts: 721 someone said to change the gas octane once on here before running your engine if you didnt have premiun do you think this could cause anything?I never changed it and I have low grade in now but I also didnt see where to change it.
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Today, 07:03 PM #14
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Posts: 1,841 did you install the silver spacers that came with the injectors and the new studs? cause if not it is going to angle the injectors enough to allow air to get in
the thing that will cause this is more air than idle will allow getting in past your throttle body
ie a bad seal on the intake man gasket,throttle body gasket, injector o rings are not installed / not fully seated , leking lines coming off the 90 degree tit on the man as well as the other line on the right hand side of the intake man
keep looking youll find it (im just giving you the places to look)
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Today, 07:10 PM #16
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someone said to change the gas octane once on here before running your engine if you didnt have premiun do you think this could cause anything?I never changed it and I have low grade in now but I also didnt see where to change it.
can you buy race gas local? if so fillup on that shit it will bring the overall level to around 93
also there isnt a place i know of in kpro that lets you select octane levels
there are two different stock based tunes for that
this could be the reason ( just called the guy who did mine a feww yearsback and he remembers the car ildeing funny and i was getting detonation)
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Today, 07:15 PM #17
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Posts: 721 yes installed the spacers and studs.Look at all lines again and the injectors and all look ok?
When the car was running the real time display showed only 3 on the duty and the surge matched the injector
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Today, 07:24 PM #18
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Posts: 1,841 the reason it matched was b/c when more air enters the motor the duty on th injectors will increass bc the car thinks you are getting on the throttle and allowing more air to flow in the motor
does tps match the surge that would tell me if the throttle plate is opening a bit
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Today, 07:30 PM #19
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Posts: 721 tps never moves off 1% unless I rev it it revs up fine then drops back down and surges.
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I just finished my Greddy turbo install and RC 550 Injectors and Kpro. I downloaded the map and then started my car and now it surges fron idle to 2500 rpm anyone have a answer?
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Today, 06:01 PM #2
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I just finished my Greddy turbo install and RC 550 Injectors and Kpro. I downloaded the map and then started my car and now it surges fron idle to 2500 rpm anyone have a answer?
vaccum leak
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Today, 06:08 PM #3
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Posts: 721 already did that the car is a 05 with 4000 miles on it and I checked all the hoses I added like BOV,turbo acuator and boost gague?
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Today, 06:15 PM #4
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Posts: 1,841 where did you tap the line in the brake booster i imagine ?
also it dose this constantly right? cause if it stops after the car warms up your fine
just make sur that everything that plumbs into the intake manifold (after the throttle body) is nug and isnt loose
this same thing happened to my buddy after the did his kit and it turned out that it was b/c he kept blowing the vacummlines off his oil catch can and bov
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Today, 06:23 PM #5
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Posts: 721 Yes to the booster and right cal with 550s.The surge never goes away even at 200 degrees keeps going.
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Today, 06:29 PM #6
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Today, 06:31 PM #7
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Posts: 1,841 either you have blown off a hose (please go check) or there is something keeping you throttle bdy open
also look at you idle tab in kpro and try adjusting the slider in that portion
the help file in kpro will give you a good idea of how it affects idle
for fluctuating sugres the common problem is a vaccum leak and since you boosted now i believe you may have poped on of those off when going into boost yes even if the car is brand new
they arent that secure
i have to secure mine with saftey wire if thats any indication of how bad it is
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Today, 06:37 PM #8
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is there such a thing as to much fuel caused by adding the Eagle fuel rail?
that where adjusting the slider in kpro comes in
and it is possible but then again i dont know about the feul rail caus i dont have one yet (damn kids why do they have to eat)
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Today, 06:41 PM #9
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Posts: 721 Ok no lines off adjusted the slider both way and nothing.And the green key light keeps flashing
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Today, 06:49 PM #10
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Posts: 1,841 the green key is fine youll have to go to a dealer for that
im looking at the greddy 550 cal right now to see if i can come up with an idea
and you checked ALL your lines right not just the new ones you installed
the pcv line is known for coming loose it is located on the left side of the intake man and runs to the idler pulley area
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Today, 06:54 PM #11
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Posts: 1,841 also are you reloading the map eachtime you are moving the slider ?
you may also wanna try reloading the greddy 550 map that included with kpro and d/l the new version form them if you havent done so
v1-2-1-1
also i just realized this while looking at mine make sure your injectors are FULLY seated into the intake manifold cause if one of those isnt fully seated it will allow air to get in there and cause a surge(CHECK THIS NOW!) cause i vaugley remember this happening to a buddy of mine with a bseries swap in his crx
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Today, 07:00 PM #12
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Posts: 721 checked all the vac lines-yes loaded each time I changed the parameters.And all injectors are seated fully
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Today, 07:02 PM #13
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Posts: 721 someone said to change the gas octane once on here before running your engine if you didnt have premiun do you think this could cause anything?I never changed it and I have low grade in now but I also didnt see where to change it.
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Today, 07:03 PM #14
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Today, 07:07 PM #15
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Posts: 1,841 did you install the silver spacers that came with the injectors and the new studs? cause if not it is going to angle the injectors enough to allow air to get in
the thing that will cause this is more air than idle will allow getting in past your throttle body
ie a bad seal on the intake man gasket,throttle body gasket, injector o rings are not installed / not fully seated , leking lines coming off the 90 degree tit on the man as well as the other line on the right hand side of the intake man
keep looking youll find it (im just giving you the places to look)
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Today, 07:10 PM #16
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: North Carolina aka (Virginia's Mexico)
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Originally Posted by Ravenous Si
someone said to change the gas octane once on here before running your engine if you didnt have premiun do you think this could cause anything?I never changed it and I have low grade in now but I also didnt see where to change it.
can you buy race gas local? if so fillup on that shit it will bring the overall level to around 93
also there isnt a place i know of in kpro that lets you select octane levels
there are two different stock based tunes for that
this could be the reason ( just called the guy who did mine a feww yearsback and he remembers the car ildeing funny and i was getting detonation)
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Today, 07:15 PM #17
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 721 yes installed the spacers and studs.Look at all lines again and the injectors and all look ok?
When the car was running the real time display showed only 3 on the duty and the surge matched the injector
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Today, 07:24 PM #18
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Posts: 1,841 the reason it matched was b/c when more air enters the motor the duty on th injectors will increass bc the car thinks you are getting on the throttle and allowing more air to flow in the motor
does tps match the surge that would tell me if the throttle plate is opening a bit
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Today, 07:30 PM #19
Ravenous Si
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 721 tps never moves off 1% unless I rev it it revs up fine then drops back down and surges.
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